RBFN Podcast Keith Harrington
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Learn from the best alternative capital investors in the world. Revenue-based financing investor and thought leader, Keith Harrington, conducts in-depth interviews with other investors who are disrupting the capital markets by offering alternative capital solutions to the traditional VC equity fundraising path. Successful entrepreneurs are demanding more innovation from investors, and Keith’s goal is to bring these investors together to share what they’ve learned, why it’s important to them, and how they apply it to what they do. The Revenue-Based Financing Network Podcast aims to quickly expand this growing industry to support more entrepreneurs and build awareness around the revenue-based financing ecosystem. Learn more and join our community at www.rbfn.org.
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#24 - Don’t Let Fundraising Break You & How to Treat an Entrepreneur - with Shaily Baranwal of Elevate K-12
Shaily Baranwal is the Founder and CEO of Elevate K-12. She’s an incredible entrepreneur and CEO, and I can attest to her ability to rapidly scale a company. Elevate K-12 provides engaging virtual classroom instruction from certified live teachers to ensure every student receives a high-quality education regardless of zip code. In the episode, Shaily shares the inspiring journey from her childhood in India as a special education student, to becoming a classroom teacher. She discusses founding two other companies before Elevate K-12, including a chain of preschools for low-income students in rural India. Shaily also talks about her fundraising experiences starting Elevate K-12, scaling the business, and her passion for problem-solving and rule-breaking in entrepreneurship.
Key Takeaways
[2:32] Shaily’s background.
[6:00] Shaily embraces both her scientific and artistic side.
[8:09] Solving problems is Shaily’s motivation.
[11:00] “Principles” by Ray Dalio.
[12:22] Learning from advisors and leaders. And choosing them wisely.
[14:05] Creating an ecosystem of success.
[18:01] Shaily’s past in teaching.
[18:33] Elevate - the fundraising journey.
[20:56] Why fundraising was a nightmare.
[22:08] Getting the first million from a hedge fund founder.
[26:04] The importance of a great investor.
[26:48] Discovering non-dilutive funding.
[29:27] Screening potential investors and choosing Novel.
[32:18] Asymmetry in the power and information dynamic.
[36:31] Advice for entrepreneurs and investors.
[39:35] Why did fundraising almost break Shaily?
[41:18] What surprised Shaily throughout the journey.
[43:05] The impact Shaily’s dad had on her career.
Resources:
RBF Network
Keith’s Twitter
Keith’s Linkedin
Shaily: Website | LinkedIn -
#23 - The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly with Marshall Lebovits of Asset-Based Funding Solutions
Marshall Lebovits is an advisor at Asset Based Funding Solutions with almost 35 years of experience in the secured financing and alternative capital industry. In the episode, Marshall shares more about his passion for helping grow companies that typically lack access to capital with non-dilutive asset-backed financing solutions. Marshall discusses how he built a network of connections around the world, the importance of carefully evaluating your lending partners to make informed decisions, and the importance of accuracy in financial reporting.
Key Takeaways
[3:05] Marshall’s career background.
[[9:51] Asset-Based Funding.
[10:07] Sourcing deals.
[14:25] Case Study: A healthcare staffing company Marshall helped during the pandemic.
[22:15] Investing in the right types of relationships.
[29:35] Case Study: A protein drink client that stood out in the Better for You CPG space.
[34:58] What Marshall is both advising entrepreneurs on and warning them to be vigilant about.
[38:13] The importance of accurate financial reporting.
[47:21] Building Asset-Based Funding Solutions.
[47:38] Relationships matter. Make sure you trust who you work with.
Resources:
RBF Network
Keith’s Twitter
Keith’s Linkedin
Marshall: LinkedIn | X -
#22 - Alternative Capital from The LP Perspective with Brendan Cosgrove of Catalyze
This week features Brendan Cosgrove, Co-Founder and Director of Catalyze, a unique national nonprofit dedicated to democratizing access to LP and institutional capital networks and resources for underserved investors and GPs. With his extensive experience guiding LPs at Cambridge Associates, and as Investment Director at the Kauffman Foundation's Capital Access Lab, Brendan brings a unique perspective to the table. In our conversation, Brendan shares insights into the challenges of introducing innovative funding methods like RBF and the importance of supporting diverse fund managers. He talks about Catalyze's Fund Fellowship program, aimed at empowering capital entrepreneurs to build investment solutions for underserved businesses. Brendan also sheds light on the long-term commitment needed to build institutional-quality investment firms and provides valuable insights into funding vehicles for impact investors. He also demystifies MRI vs PRI for foundation investors.
Key Takeaways
[3:13] What led Brendan to Catalyze.
[7:15] Brendan’s interest in alternative capital.
[13:43] The importance of underwritable track records and the ability to benchmark.
[17:33] Getting more institutional LPs to write those anchor checks.
[20:45] The opportunity for big foundations to step into alternative capital.
[25:00] Capital Access Lab.
[27:12] Catalyze’s approach of being an anchor for underrepresented founders.
[30:25] MRI vs. PRI.
[33:22] How Catalyze helps capital entrepreneurs.
[35:46] Catalyze’s Fund Fellowship Program.
[37:46] GP Runway fund.
[39:34] What managers learn at the Fellowship Program.
[53:09] What Brendan sees in the emerging space.
[55:09] Embracing the learning curve with innovative models.
Resources:
RBF Network
Keith’s Twitter
Keith’s Linkedin
Brendan: Catalyze | LinkedIn | Blueprint Local | Capital Access Lab -
#21 - From Boat Mogul to Startup Funder with Justin Renfro of Wefunder
It’s a fun conversation this week with Justin Renfro, Director of Revenue-Based Financing at Wefunder. Justin shares his journey from a boat mogul with his company Chill Charters to working with thousands of entrepreneurs at Wefunder. Justin discusses his passion for building a diverse range of mission-driven companies, Wefunder’s community-based approach to drive value for founders and capital into businesses, and iterating the platform experience. He shares optimism for the next generation of impact investors and also touches upon the challenges of educating founders about alternative financing.
Key Takeaways
[2:29] Justin’s trajectory
[6:15] Wefunder overview and Justin’s role.
[12:10] Wefunder’s guidance to entrepreneurs.
[15:23] The challenge of explaining alternative finance to founders.
[18:17] The Wefunder founder experience.
[28:12] Overcoming educational challenges in alternative financing.
[33:20] The importance of patience and consistency.
[41:24] Mission-focused investing.
[44:11] Justin’s biggest takeaways from Wefunder.
Resources:
RBF Network
Keith’s Twitter
Keith’s Linkedin
Justin: Wefunder | LinkedIn | Chill Carters
Other links: Elephants, Not Unicorns | Peter Harris -
#20 - Heavy Metal & RBF with Manolo Atala, CEO of Fairplay
Our guest this week brings enthusiasm and excitement to RBF which sets the stage for a great conversation. We welcome Manolo Atala, Co-Founder and CEO of Fairplay, a LatAm-focused revenue-based financing platform headquartered in Mexico. Since launching in 2019, Fairplay has originated $220M in revenue-based loans, built a team of 127 people, and made a huge impact in Latin America. Manolo shares how they’ve done that, and covers his diverse career journey before Fairplay, spanning advertising, entertainment, and the successful establishment of high-impact companies. He explains Fairplay's spin-out of Nazca Ventures and the company’s impact on financing and funding in Latin America. Manolo and I discuss balancing growth with responsible underwriting, and the beauty of transparency in strategic partnerships, and Manolo shares his vision of building Fairplay into a $1 billion company to improve access to capital in Latin America.
Key Takeaways
[1:45] Manolo’s path to entrepreneurship.
[5:38] Being a musician.
[10:19] Launching Fairplay in 2019 and expanding geographically.
[11:12] What happened to Clearco?
[13:21] Lending is hard to do well and easy to screw up.
[18:02] The embedded lending space.
[19:02] What we can learn from Metallica.
[24:14] The importance of straightforward dialog with investors.
[32:46] How not to pitch equity investors.
[40:15] Automating underwriting.
[47:05] Originating more than $220 million.
[48:54] The future of Fairplay.
Resources:
RBF Network
Keith’s Twitter
Keith’s Linkedin
Manolo: Fairplay | X | LinkedIn | -
#19 - Building Tardigrades, Not Unicorns with Elliot Begoun of TIG Brands
This week, we welcome Elliot Begoun, a 30-year industry veteran, author, podcast host, and founder of TIG brands, and developer of the CARE funding structure. Elliot focuses on empowering entrepreneurs to be nimble and capital-efficient change-makers throughout their journey. He shares insights on building tardigrades, not unicorns (and why that’s a thing), and lessons from developing and deploying alternative funding structures that support tardigrades. We talk about why investors can be slow to adopt new funding structures asd well. Elliot also shares more about TIG's commitment to fostering a supportive community for entrepreneurs through a holistic approach and a constellation of services.
Key Takeaways
[1:45] Elliot’s background.
[2:13] Why Elliot started TIG Brands.
[3:49] How TIG developed its capital structures.
[6:39] Definition of a tardigrade and how it represents the brands TIG works with.
[8:37] Building a holistic ecosystem for entrepreneurs.
[10:53] Giving entrepreneurs optionality.
[13:29] The different funding structures TIG experimented with.
[21:38] The CARE agreement.
[22:44] Variable based redeemable equity.
[28:29] Alignment funding.
[33:59] Starting a rolling fund and TIG’s mindset of being a venture community.
[41:25] What has surprised Elliot throughout the journey.
[47:05] The future: building allyship.
Resources:
RBF Network
Keith’s Twitter
Keith’s Linkedin
Speaker Series
Elliot: Tig Brands | LinkedIn | X | Tig Talks Podcast | Documents