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You’re listening to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode is part two of Stephen Smith's talk at the KFA’s 2020 Annual May Gathering. In this episode, Stephen is joined by Cory Fisher, the former Archives and Publishing Director of the KFA, and Jaap Sluitjer, the Executive Director of the KFA, in exploring the quiet mind.
Stephen is a former educator at Brockwood Park School, where he had personal contact with Krishnamurti. He was also the former Center Coordinator of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America, organizing events, facilitating dialogues, engaging with the public in Southern California as well as traveling from coast to coast.


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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 14: The Mind in the Universe
Series: The Ending of Time
Is thought a material process?

Is it possible to have a mind that is really, completely empty of all the things that thought has put together?

Only the insight into the nature of reaction ends psychological reaction.

There is absolute stillness and in that stillness, or from that stillness, there is a movement which is everlastingly new.

Can the silent movement of order affect my daily life when I have deep inward psychological order?

Freedom is not a reaction.

There is the universal mind, and the human mind can be of that when there is freedom.

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You’re listening to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode is a talk by Stephen Smith at the KFA’s 2020 Annual May Gathering. In this episode, Stephen explores the quiet mind. Stephen takes us on a journey through the intricate layers of consciousness, urging us to examine our fundamental perceptions and assumptions about reality. Through rigorous self-inquiry and a deep exploration of the self, he challenges us to go beyond the limitations of our conditioned minds and embrace a state of profound peace and clarity. Although it cannot be sought out, a quiet mind may be necessary to adequately address the ongoing challenges facing humanity. Join us as we uncover the transformative power of the quiet mind and its potential to revolutionize our understanding of ourselves and the world around us.
Stephen is a former educator at Brockwood Park School, where he had personal contact with Krishnamurti. He was also the former Center Coordinator of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America, organizing events, facilitating dialogues, engaging with the public in Southern California as well as traveling from coast to coast.


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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.
J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 13: The Ending of Psychological Knowledge

Series: The Ending of Time

Why are our minds always operating in a certain direction?

What shall I do, as a human being, realizing that knowledge is naturally, inevitably forming a groove in which I live? How am I to break it down?

Pure observation, which is actually listening, is that pure observation love?

When I ask you to tell me what to do, I am back in the field of knowledge.

We have tried everything – fasting, every kind of thing to get rid of the ‘me’ with all its knowledge, with all its illusions. One tries to identify with something else, which is the same. A serious man has done all this and comes back to the fundamental question: what will make this wall totally disappear?

For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/krishnamurtifoundationamerica
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurti
Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/
Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/
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You’re listening to The Immeasurable Podcast and this episode is an exploration on education between Darcy Gray and Jaap Sluijter. Darcy Gray's interest in Krishnamurti's teachings began in his early twenties, leading him to join the Krishnamurti School in Ojai, California, shortly after its establishment in 1975. During his three-decade tenure at Oak Grove School, he engaged in staff dialogues with Krishnamurti and David Bohm, contributing to various roles in the high school, elementary school, and administration. While teaching math and physics, traditionally approached with rote methods, Darcy prioritized innovative ways of presenting the subjects, fostering a collaborative learning atmosphere in the classroom. His teaching philosophy involved questioning both right and wrong answers, encouraging students to share their perspectives even when divergent from his expectations. Despite retiring in 2020, Darcy remained actively involved in Oak Grove School’s Krishnamurti discussions, volunteering and sustaining a profound interest in K’s questions and dialogues. Jaap Sluijter has a long-standing interest in the questions raised by Krishnamurti. Currently, Jaap is the Executive Director of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America. Previously, he lived and taught at Brockwood Park School in England. He has an MA in Mechanical Engineering and worked as a design engineer in the field of camera systems and musical instruments. 
Together, Darcy and Jaap discuss education, drawing insight from Krishnamurti's teachings. They explore the nuances of establishing a meaningful teacher-student relationship, emphasizing the importance of fostering independent thinking. The speakers advocate for a serious learning dynamic, addressing challenges such as fear, judgment, and bullying in the classroom and highlighting the need for clear expectations and standards.
In this dialogue, Jaap and Darcy explore the intricacies of addressing conflict in school, emphasizing the examination of personal desires and vulnerability. They also discuss the impact of Krishnamurti's emphasis on questioning and awareness. The speakers concluded by challenging traditional notions of intelligence, promoting freedom from conditioning, and envisioning schools as spaces for creativity and growth, breaking away from the dichotomy of obedience and rebellion. Click here to watch the previous episode they reference, which pertains to the Flame of Learning book.

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Welcome to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode comes from discussions Krishnamurti had with teachers at Brockwood Park School, recorded in 1976. These dialogues were turned into a book called A Flame of Learning. In the previous episode, “Learning from Every Moment,” Leah and Pooja discuss similar themes. More specifically, they highlight how concepts like authority, discipline, and control impact students, as well as what it means to learn as an educator. 
This episode delves into the significance of the teacher and student, exploring topics such as authority, sensitivity, and learning. Krishnamurti emphasizes the value of collaborative learning between teachers and students.
Krishnamurti said, “It is important to establish right relationship between yourself and the student. You cannot do this if you are sitting on a pedestal as a teacher and treating the students as though below you. Come off the pedestal and establish a relationship of mutual learning.” You can find this quote in the book A Flame of Learning, where you can read these dialogues in print.

For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurti
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/krishnamurtifoundationamerica
Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/
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