30 episodes
Progression Podcast Progression
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As tech teams we're great at designing and building products and experiences that people love. But one thing that we still can't do effectively is design our own careers.
With the help of regular contributors and special guests, we dig into why that is, tackling questions around managing vs making, missing manager tools, soft and hard skills and training, compensation and navigating a new job that's right for you.
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#29 Jackie Bavaro (Asana, Google) on having impact as a Product Manager
Jackie Bavaro was most recently Head of Product Management for eight years at Asana, the well-loved work management software, where she joined pre-launch as the first PM. During her tenure, she grew the PM team to over twenty amazing people, helped Asana's go from $0 to more than $100 million in annual recurring revenue, and launched Asana's associate product manager program.
Jackie has since written two fantastic books on PM careers - 'Cracking the PM career' and 'Cracking the PM interview'.
In this episode we talk about Jackie's growth as a PM at Asana, defining impact in role, working with founders, navigating feedback and her 'Do, Try, Consider' framework which we've now implemented at Progression.
Links
Jackie on Twitter
Jackie on Amazon
Jackie's tweet referencing the framework we talk about in the podcast
Jackie's interview on Lenny's pod
Do, Try, Consider
Jonny can be found at https://twitter.com/jonnyburch
Who else should we be speaking to?
Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email hello@progression.co and tell us more.
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#28 Steve Bianchi (Beamery, Unilever) on the rise of the people-focused COO and a capability-based future
This week Jonny chats to Steve Bianchi, CHRO and COO of talent operating system Beamery. A real futurist and systems thinker, Steve gets into the future of the people team, why people leaders make good Chief Operating Officers and imagines a future where we’re hired not based on our university and CV but by our skills and ambition.
Links:
Steve on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenbianchi
Beamery: https://beamery.com/
Jonny can be found at https://twitter.com/jonnyburch
Who else should we be speaking to?
Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.
Our lovely sponsor: Progression!
We're tackling meaty problems around career growth and hiring engineers and designers at the moment. Read more and find our open roles on our careers page: progressionapp.com/careers
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#27 Lucas Coelho (Roam Digital) on building an academy, leadership lessons and how to run a happy team
In this episode Jonny chats to Lucas Coelho — VP of design at Roam Digital — about growing as a leader, his thoughts on how to build a bench of good junior folks, being honest and learning from failure and his experience building progression frameworks and using Progression. Lucas is a Progression customer, but we try and steer well clear of that until the very end.
Lucas Links:
https://lucascoelho.co/
https://twitter.com/coelholucas
Lucas's talk at Figma Config: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCsSKDh8gBg
Jonny can be found at https://twitter.com/jonnyburch
Who else should we be speaking to?
Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.
Our lovely sponsor: Progression!
We're tackling meaty problems around career growth and hiring engineers and designers at the moment. Read more and find our open roles on our careers page: https://progressionapp.com/careers
Rate us!
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#26 Brian Lovin (Github, Spectrum, Design Details) on the rise of the senior IC
In this episode, Jonny chats with Brian about the rise of the very senior IC (Individual Contributor) - a subject close to our heart at Progression. We also go into the process of creating a startup and Brian's experience building and exiting Spectrum, his mixed feelings about how much we should be optimising for titles and putting yourself out there on the internet.
Brian is a designer at Github, co-host of the very popular Design Details podcast and most recently published a collection of interviews with senior designers on staff.design.
Brian Links:
https://brianlovin.com/
https://twitter.com/brian_lovin
https://staff.design/
https://designdetails.fm/
https://nav.al/principal-agent - the article that Brian references that we're now obsessed with
Jonny can be found at https://twitter.com/jonnyburch
Who else should we be speaking to?
Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.
Our lovely sponsor: Progression!
We're tackling meaty problems around career growth and hiring engineers and designers at the moment. Read more and find our open roles on our careers page: https://progressionapp.com/careers
Rate us!
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#25 Sarah Clatterbuck (Yahoo, LinkedIn, Google) on frameworks for startups vs large orgs and avoiding anti-patterns
In this episode, Sarah Clatterbuck, Senior Director of Engineering at Google sits down with Neil to discuss a whole range of topics including:
What is was like in the LinkedIn engineering team as they grew from 300 to 3000
How Sarah recommends startups and scale-ups think about rolling out progression frameworks for the first time
How to think about and reduce unconscious bias and anti-patterns in frameworks
Links:
Sarah on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahclatterbuck/
Sarah on Twitter https://twitter.com/girodchatterbox
Neil on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ncameron
Who else should we be speaking to?
Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.
Our lovely sponsor: Progression!
We're tackling meaty problems around career growth and hiring engineers and designers at the moment. Read more and find our open roles on our careers page: https://progressionapp.com/careers
Rate us!
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#24: Jessie Hayes (Whereby, Box) on treating people like a product and keeping frameworks light
This episode, Jonny chats to Jessie Hayes, VP People and Talent at Whereby, the London video platform.
As one of the first 'People people' on the pod, Jessie goes through her personal career journey to get to Whereby, through large companies (Goldman Sachs, Box) to small, then we dig into how to treat your people function like a product which your employees subscribe to (very novel and clever) and then get Jessie's thoughts on progression frameworks, where they've succeeded and failed and what they're doing about it at Whereby today as they scale to 160+.
Jessie's links:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicamayhayes/
https://twitter.com/hijessiemay
https://www.jmh.fun/
Jonny:
https://twitter.com/jonnyburch
Who else should we be speaking to?
Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.
Our lovely sponsor: Progression!
We're tackling meaty problems around career growth and hiring engineers and designers at the moment. Read more and find our open roles on our careers page: https://progressionapp.com/careers
Rate us!
It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539